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I recently purchased a 19 1000XP Premium. Been looking at different winches. Found a super atv black ops 4500# that is ready to bolt on out of the box. Is there a better winch to look closer at?
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Warn!!!
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factory polaris.
I have the 4500lb on both my xp1000's.
Very well designed, very simple to install, perfect length harness...
I just installed one this weekend.
I have the 4500lb on both my xp1000's.
Very well designed, very simple to install, perfect length harness...
I just installed one this weekend.
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I used to be a warn fan, but after failures on the small atv line I no longer recommend them any longer. At least they finaly added a brake and don't make you pay extra for it now. For the cost difference, they just don't outperform other available cheaper options. There are a lot of variables involved to call anything the universal best, but I would recommend the Viper Elite 6000. I like the 6000# for UTVs, I consider 4500# the bare minimum and I don't like running on the min specs. I also prefer synthetic over cable ropes. I also happen to love the Viper wireless option. Between atvs and utvs in the family, we have 6 Viper winches and have only ever had one failure. It was a solenoid that could be swapped out for like $50.
There are a lot of variables as you say, you’ve had one issue with your Viper & I’ve had only one issue with a Warn, it was a solenoid also and Warn fixed/replaced it for free including labor, they stood by me this is why I stand by them. I’ve been running Warn set ups on pickups. ATV’s & a UTV since the 80’s and I use them. There’s even more variables on the 4500 vs 6000, single line, double line w/snatch block, how much line is left on the drum all come into play. Winching accessories, shackle’s, extensions & straps etc… Warn has the synthetic Line & wireless remotes also. I’m sure we could pull each other out with either winch! we can all get lemons 🍋 in any brand but, I wouldn’t let one bad experience shake my decision. 😃
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Want the ugly truth? They are all coming out of the same 2 or 3 factories. There are the lower end ones like Harbor Freight and chain store brands. And there are higher end ones like Warn, OEM's, Viper, and our Black Ops...and others. In the end, they're all good and they're all the same besides the casing, branding, and maybe some different gearing. Get one from a company that is going to take care of you with a warranty if you end up getting a dud. We have a no questions asked 1 year warranty. That's all you really need.
If you go with ours, I can get you the forum member discount.
If you go with ours, I can get you the forum member discount.
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Thanks for all the replies. I think I’m going with the super atv. Might want to go up to the 6k winch though.
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In my case it was internal proprietary parts that were not covered (I didn't really expect them to be for the age) but were very expensive and took a long time to get. At the time Warn was living off their brand name and reputation and were double the cost of anything else. There weren't as many options back then either. Even though double the cost, you also had to buy and install the brake separate if you wanted that feature. Eventually they got their head out of their ass and dropped the prices as well as include the break and other things like wireless now but they still have to keep their price significantly above all the other brands. If anything is better with Warn, it's their marketing and advertising. I don't have a doubt that most of them hold up and they are just as reliable as many of the others, but I will never recommend them to others because they are dead last in cost vs. value.
This, all the names on the winch, are just that. A name on a winch built by others, I did a bunch of research back when I bought my first ATV about a decade ago, if I remember right, 2 Indonesian companies, and a Chinese company, completely forgot their names, but we would recognize one of them. Now, this was 10 years ago, so things may have changed. I dunno.
But I do know the the Super ATV warranty is a big selling point. …….. That being said, I just bought a Polaris 3.5K winch kit off eBay for a hundred bucks. I don’t go in the mud anymore, this should do just fine, that’s more than double the weight of my Ranger.
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The load rating of the winch has no direct meaning with the static weight of the machine. It's a compound calculation that the weight is a part of, but you can very easily end up needing more pulling force than double the machine weight. Although, a 3500 would be great for a game hoist on the back.
I’ve run winches on vehicles since the ‘80’s, things have changed over the decades, rule of thumb for trucks used to be minimum of 1.5 times the weight of your truck. In ATV’s, I was taught that at least 2 times the weight of the 4 wheeler was good aiming point. Over the last few years, everyone seems to think that having a 12 thousand pound winch on a Jeep is the minimum. The amount of force you can transfer to your vehicle while winching is huge, frame bending, weld ripping force. I’ve seen people that think they know what their doing with their winch, and tear crap straight to hell. I’m very sure I could snatch block and winch my Ranger out out any situation where I can reach an anchor point, with my 3.5k winch.
But like you said, really, the bigger the better.
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Different situations are going to require different approaches for sure, and as long as one has the knowledge and tools you can make due, I agree. I'm always a I'd rather have it and not need it kinda guy. But I also frequently mutter: "I'm used to doing so much with so little for so long, that everyone expects me to do anything with nothing in no time"
To be fair (and I've posted it before), I consider the winch to be the one absolute must have accessory for a UTV.
And in honor of St. Paddy's Day:
Rule of Thumb:
I guess it's a good thing we got that international women's day out of the way first!
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