A word of caution may be in order. Some of the people I have hunted with, when talking about some of my hunting spots, have said they will never shoot one there again. Sometimes they will say it four or five times. When we are packing the meat out, I wait until the last trip before I ask them are we having fun yet. Some times, years later people will say do you remember.... then end the story with a “I'll never shoot one there again". Usually if other people are listening to the story, one of then will remember the 6x6 or 7x7 bull elk they got on opening day while driving in to go hunting. They always get the elk on the up hill side of the road and after field dressing it, roll it downhill into the back of their pickup. The rack is always so big that they have to turn the head side ways to get it in the bed of the pickup. They usually get back home before noon. This shows that a good time can be had by all. I guess the statement “no pain, no gain”, is not true all of the time. I wouldn't know. Not from my limited experience any way.